Game Theory: Until Dawn's TRAGIC Hero

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Until Dawn is all about making sure you make the right choices to make it out alive... But what if the most important character in the game is the only one who gets NO CHOICE in whether they live or die. What does that mean for you playing the game? What does that say about the game itself? Get ready for a completely new understanding of Until Dawn! (plus a few spoilers!)

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jonas ulsøe
god my internet stopped at ha....
doesnt want to hear it appearently
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Sonia Boo
Now I feel so sorry for Josh..
Phat AsBish

Phat AsBish
Matpat acting all surly

lil spooky

Pinky Patrick
If we've got Wendigo's then we need to call Sam and Dean...THEY NEED TO LIGHT THAT SUCKER UP!
Dissed 12
While the points are valid, we will, likely, never know what Josh's true disorders were, and while schizophrenia could be it, it could be a mixture of multiple mental disorders, Josh isn't exactly fleshed out like the others are, Sam is brave and hates hurting people, Mike is a bit of a jerk who ill do what's best for the group, rather than the individual, we just didn't see enough of Josh to really show who he is as a person, past the fact that he, quite clearly, has major problems, and that his psychiatrists couldn't help him.
Muddy Girl
Were is the Theroy about the towel?
How is being turned on by a 19 year old even remotely creepy?
Brundel Gaming

Sooo there's no way in saving Josh 😭😭😭 and damn I wish I was that smart to come up with such a "theory".
Miss Missy
I have always been on Josh's side
Ash Flowers
"Gangly spider zombie" uuuhhhh wendigo
packed ice gaming
I joined the notification squad 😎😎😎 (he's not going to read this lol)
k plus three
Chris was probably the most tortured in my opinion, when he was pissed drunk near Josh lmao
Tallen Smith
Puts the spoiler warning after spoiling the main villain.
The Dominator0804
this game needs some kind of sequel or prequel
Molly Dotty
when can emily and chris choose kill someone? i have an idea, but i'm not sure.
or.. josh was just a b*tch a** n***a
GerbilFanatic 804
Poor Josh he deserved better
Lizzy Williams
No help for mental illnesses, huh? Nice job, US Gov. Stay Classy
At 2:41 I got really confused since the legal age of consent in my country is 14.
Mateo Chavez
Actually, I don't think his diagnosis was so drastically incorrect. The real issue isn't misdiagnosis, it's as Mike said, "He's off his meds." Not only do the characters say it more than a couple times, it's strongly implied in the texts with Dr. Hill that he very abruptly stopped taking his antidepressants sometime before the night of the reunion. Now I'm no expert, but he was on some serious medication according to the report, and serious amounts of them too. And I'd be a fool to think that simply and suddenly quitting medicine that messes with your head like that could be like ripping off a bandaid. There will be withdrawal, and it will be severe. So I googled the symptoms and that's pretty much all I had to do to close the case, tell me if you disagree.

Withdrawal symptoms of Phenelzine, the drug he was on prior to the reunion:
nausea, vomiting, malaise, vivid nightmares with agitation, psychosis, and/or seizures.

Symptoms of psychosis:
Behavioral- *disorganized behavior, aggression, agitation, hostility, hyperactivity, hypervigilance, nonsense word repetition, repetitive movements, restlessness,* self-harm, social isolation, lack of restraint, or persistent repetition of words or actions
Cognitive- thought disorder, confusion, belief that an ordinary event has special and personal meaning, belief that thoughts aren't one's own, disorientation, memory loss, racing thoughts, slowness in activity, thoughts of suicide, unwanted thoughts, or difficulty thinking and understanding
Mood- anger, anxiety, apathy, excitement, feeling detached from self, general discontent, limited range of emotions, or loneliness
Psychological- fear, hearing voices, depression, manic episode, paranoia, persecutory delusion, religious delusion, or visual hallucinations
Speech- *deficiency of speech,* excessive wordiness, incoherent speech, or rapid and frenzied speaking

Josh displays all of the above bolded symptoms (tell me if I missed any) throughout the night, gradually worsening as time goes on, as expected for somebody going through worsening withdrawal.

I didn't really need to dig to deep, the facts are in the clues, all I had to do was Google phenelzine and psychosis. And the answers were just sitting there. It kind of felt like I was reading right off the game script, or at least the writers' research material.
Ruben Lou
I thougt This was Halo so Yeah i Got a Giant jumpscare XD
Why is Elliot from Mr. Robot in this game?
Then what the hell are the wendijos (sorry i butchered that spelling)
J _ C _ D
Josh is still an asshole to me.
3.14 Dragon
Someone BETTER make a god damned fangame where we can help Josh!
Paggy Plays
Wait in pewdiepies until dawn josh didnt die in the first time he got draged With his Sister instead of killed
3.14 Dragon
Wow. The psycho is the best character in the game. WELL MY NEW GOAL IS GET EVERYONE KILLED.
Aaron Ponstingle
Swissair Guh
When the intro was great
Comedy Chess
i felt bad for josh b4 i watched this vid when i played the game
Chris White
Dr. Hill is a figment of his imagination, he's not his therapist, there's a scene in which Josh is dragging one of his friends to a room saying "We're going to see the doctor"
Sublime Donut
Wow! I loved it! Congratulations!
BossBen 1017
What's crazy is that the fact they diagnosed Josh with depression instead of schizophrenia is extremely accurate too. I am schizophrenic, but when my symptons first came, I was first diagnosed with depression and when I'm given a new doctor and they try to say I don't have schizophrenia, I have to demand a blood test to prove I am so they don't perscribe me with strictly depression medication and instead anti-psychotics.
Captain Snappy
Does pyro have schizophrenia:D
Jillian Crawford
I am tempted to say that Josh didn't tell Dr. Hill about the hallucinations which further led to the misdiagnosis and improper medication. I have met people who do undermind their conditions out of fear of what the "proper treatment" would be, essentially fearing that they'll be locked away into an asylum and left to rot, even if that was only extreme thinking. Given this, I do wonder if Josh feared the same. We also aren't sure if the versions of Dr. Hill that we see are accurate portrayals of him--it's entirely possible that Josh views his own therapist as more antagonistic than he actually is because of his dilutions and maybe not understanding why Dr. Hill would make the decisions for treatment and whatnot.
Boshoms Luv
I personally think it is just the withdraw symptoms of the medication. If you look on the medical records he does have most of the symptoms listed.
2j fan
you kill the game. Until dawn is pretty good game with the best grafics
Here's my theory. Josh either lives or dies. And you're probably saying "We know this already.". No, I mean he doesn't become a wendigo, at all. What am I saying? Well, throughout the visits with Dr. Hill, he asks us questions, now all these questions are important. Whatever Josh fears will appear in his office, he's going insane so he's having illusions. Now there's one really important question here, the question of wether Josh thinks zombies or scarecrows are scarier. This affects when (TBH I forget who) is walking in the woods. Something pops up, it's the head of whatever you choose is scarier in Dr.Hills office. There's blood all over it, and behind it, a dead pig. Here's where my theory plays in, Josh is going absolutely insane so he kills the pig and used its blood on the thing that pops up. He throws the body of the pig in the mines. As we know Hannah wendigo drags him off. She leaves him there so she can go fight the others. He's there where he threw the pig body. In The play through where everybody dies and Josh becomes a Wendigo, we can see the body that he's eating better, it looks like the pigs body. This looks like it happens at night which means it's been over a day. Josh is down there starving and going mad. He eats the pig body, imagines the rescuers, and imagines himself becoming a wendigo in the mines. But, he's not. He's stuck down there, alone, going mad, until he runs out of food and dies. Knowing how insane he is he probably doesn't go looking for water or food, and once he eats all the pig, he'll never find and eats Beth's body, so he dies. I also think the police think that the kids are crazy and it was just a psycho so they never look in the mines. I think they're placed in an asylum as well. The characters, not the police. But, if josh does find and eats Beth's body, yeah he becomes a Wendigo. I don't think he finds Beth's body because of how insane he is, and I think he's so insane that the wendigo spirits can't get him.
Da JetFighter
I believe the Dr. Hill scenes took place in the insane asylum, Where Josh stayed at for a while after the incident in the beginning and talked with Dr. Hill, That's why his body was found in the scene where Josh was eating him
Mechanical Mess
dopamine? or DOPE MEME?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH so funny....
Chris is really the only good guy in the game, he had nothing to do with the prank, but he was made to look bad when Josh taunts him and the fact that you can choose to kill Josh, Ashley, or yourself(Chris). He even goes back for Josh, unintentionally causing flamethrower guy's death yes, but he still cares for Josh.
It would seem that Josh has closed his channel down.
EJO _0814
like saw almost
My doctor described serotonin as water in a bowl with your brain floating in it. When people are mean and life just gets really empty and everything goes wrong it shakes the bowl. If you have enough water (serotonin) your brain won't hit the sides and you won't care: but if you have depression and there's next to no water in the bowl your brain will be bashed on each and every wall of the bowl, all of that pain will hurt and eventually you'll just give into despair. At least that's how it was described to me.
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